What's going on here?

[O'Mali's Dad]

Originally Posted by jad

Paul regarding your reply to Kel.... I've read it twice and sure I'm talking to Neil

Regarding the not backing down to the training. I totally agree with you there when you say change tactics and give some ball reward then go back but you have to work with what's best for the dog (motivational) after all they are all different characters and sometimes too much 'you have to approach' can break the dog. If you forced me to eat Neil's cake - I wouldn't be HAPPY (or would I?)

This brings me back to treating dogs like dogs and surely allowing them to be dogs!

Soory nut shure wyat you meen abowt my “reply to Kel”. It was to Jed, you bean on them majic mushyrooms?

Now then, it don’t matter if the dog aint happy doing want I want but it will be after just like eating Neils cake.

“training” aint the be all and end all of “leadership“, its about control so they can live in harmony with us. There comes a point where if we want to own dogs, one has to draw the line otherwise we might as well have a pack that we open the door to and let them go off and find din dins for themselves and give us puppies every 6 months.

I also think that some “trained by trainers” dogs are robots for the clueless. Wench has Barry, nice boy, she gives in to him all the time and when he wants something, just anything cos he is bored, he is a pain.

When I first met her, tell him to sit down, you get a blank look. No she says you must tell him sit only. Down is a different command.

Within one week living with me, no “training”, just an ahhh, come, sidown whatever I wanted he did as he knew I was the Daddy .

[Betty]

I was just wondering that.????? Why would they respond like this in a pack though, whats the meaning.

They howl to warn, gather and becasue they are horny??? Is it, I dont know

[O'Mali's Dad]

Originally Posted by jad

Yea Betty but there is more going on here with Kel than just being vocal. The problem is why is he going in to full blown howling/rev mode whenever we stop or do what we want to for example: if we stop to have a brew at a cafe - he howls, at GT Harwood show - he howled, at the vets he howled. Now don't know yet about the cafe or show bit but take him to the vets on my own or to training (different venues) and he's fine - not a muff out of him.

Taking him to Jena's show at Preston on Sunday and I'm dreading it because of Kel..... when he starts his voice - he is LOUD and sounds like somebodies killing him!! I wanted to put both of them in the show but I know that kel will be fine whilst I run him around the ring but as soon as Jena goes with me OR Martin he'll start. Do you think it's a pack thing?

Nope. I have lived with 5 dogs before and none of them ever did it.

The people next door to wench have one JRT that howls.

I dont know why they do it TBH

[O'Mali's Dad]

Originally Posted by Betty

I was just wondering that.????? Why would they respond like this in a pack though, whats the meaning.

They howl to warn, gather and becasue they are horny??? Is it, I dont know

lNow your talking

HHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAL

[Jan]

"but the little bast***rd shut up briefly for a biscuit. His he totally playing me up??"

Just got back from Ireland and have been so ill with chest infection and at the moment the antibiotics are making me sick!!! But just caught up with this and woindered why you gave him a biscuit (reward) when he was whinning and howling? A lot of behaviour continues because it is rewarded (dogs learn by repetitiioin and reward) so if whining and yelling gets a biscuit ........then hell.....lets whine!!!!! Dont know if this is relevant and as I say at the moment the tablets I'm taking is not making me feel good, so please ignore if I am talking rubbish!!!!